Anyone still think Jeremy Corbyn should be Labour Leader?


#1

Just curious what you guys think about Jeremy Corbyn.


#2

It’s in the interest of every conservative - and especially every Kipper - for Corbyn to stay in power as long as it is possible, hopefully even up to 2020.

Labour is hemorrhaging votes like it’s 1985, and UKIP are benefiting largely, so are Tartan Tories.


#3

No way. He is still as incompetent as ever and has made a fool of himself more times than I can count on my fingers in the past year alone.


#4

[QUOTE=“Cameronism, post: 2682660, member: 5270”]It’s in the interest of every conservative - and especially every Kipper - for Corbyn to stay in power as long as it is possible, hopefully even up to 2020.

Labour is hemorrhaging votes like it’s 1985, and UKIP are benefiting largely, so are Tartan Tories.[/QUOTE]
I’m expecting a Coup sooner or later in the party, the question is would there be enough time to save the party?


#5

I can understand why Dan Jarvis did not run for Labour leadership but unfortunately that has really messed things up for the Labour lot, seeing that he is a capable leader.


#6

Even as a Tory, I am sick of him.

Theres no sport. PMQ’s is like watching a puppy being kicked to death… the Puppy is dead… get something new. Hes crashed the party in Scotland as well and Ms Dugdale might need to also be cleared…


#7

Probably. The issue is that Corbyn simply has not had the extreme defeats that the right of Labour want him to have. Without those defeats, they don’t really have a legitimate reason to throw out Corbyn, other than to perhaps re-run a leadership election which he would win regardless. The party is now set up in a way that Corbyn wins whatever the moves will be by the right, he’s using the same tactics as Trump really. He has moved the frames to such a level that anything the opposition does is automatically your win. They don’t have a choice until Corbyn fucks up like never before. Since 2016 elections are the last elections before 2020 with any significant party political movements (just locals until 2020), then Corbyn’s mandate cannot really be questioned. I mean, Labour has already reached the lowest poll numbers with Corbyn since the depths of 2009 where they were rammed into the wall, and yet Corbyn still survived under the clout of “the media/establishment is against me, they are running these untrue polls, look at how I survived all the elections” line.

If Corbyn is to go down in a coup, it will be because of abnormally low poll numbers around 25% somewhere between now and 2020. He won’t go down because of any elections. Alternatively, we’ll go back to 1980s and the right Labour will just leave, though that has decreasing likelihood imho.

[QUOTE=“Reckonz, post: 2682662, member: 3212”]the question is would there be enough time to save the party?[/QUOTE]

To be honest this depends entirely on what we mean by “save”. I don’t think Labour will ever be eligible to get a parliamentary majority again. Scotland and England have fked them up. Even if they miraculously got Scotland back through some voodoo sorcery at 5000 / 1 odds, EVEL will still fk them up.

In terms of returning Labour to the rightful place of the opposition at mid-term - poll plurality - I think they are still able to do it if they get a unifying candidate. At the end of the day most Corbyn voters are children freshly out (or still in) of university and really old Labour marxists so not like they will refuse to vote Labour if he gets thrown out. There will just be initial turmoil.


#8

No fucking way. Get a Keir Hardie 2.0. Take Labour back to it’s working class roots and expel the foul north london hipsters who have nothing in common with the working man and the foul Blairites.


#9

[QUOTE=“Sir Mobutu of Devonshire, post: 2682674, member: 1164”]No fucking way. Get a Keir Hardie 2.0. Take Labour back to it’s working class roots and expel the foul north london hipsters who have nothing in common with the working man and the foul Blairites.[/QUOTE]

So basically

“kill Labour’s hopes of ever touching even the bus schedule of public transport in local councils ever again”?


#10

Yeah but he needs to get hard line and just fucking kick out all the Blairite relics.

WE DON’T WANT THE BLAIRITES!
WE VOTED OUT THE BLAIRITES!
THEREFORE, WE DON’T WANT BLAIRITES SABOTAGING THE PARTY FOR THEIR OWN SELF SERVING CAREER INTERESTS!


#11

[QUOTE=“Derpington steel, post: 2682698, member: 312”]Yeah but he needs to get hard line and just fucking kick out all the Blairite relics.

WE DON’T WANT THE BLAIRITES!
WE VOTED OUT THE BLAIRITES!
THEREFORE, WE DON’T WANT BLAIRITES SABOTAGING THE PARTY FOR THEIR OWN SELF SERVING CAREER INTERESTS![/QUOTE]
The more Blairites you expel, the less likely you are to ever win an election.

Anyway, as for the OP, I enjoy seeing Labour get ass fucked as much as the next Tory, but I would like a credible opposition at some point. The Tories are in more than a bit of a shambles rn, but we’re still in a comfortable place for 2020.


#12

[QUOTE=“Joshrune, post: 2682723, member: 2313”]The more Blairites you expel, the less likely you are to ever win an election.

Anyway, as for the OP, I enjoy seeing Labour get ass fucked as much as the next Tory, but I would like a credible opposition at some point. The Tories are in more than[SIZE=7][B] a bit[/B][/SIZE] of a shambles rn, but we’re still in a comfortable place for 2020.[/QUOTE]

Only a party with silence treatment for opposite sides of the EU ref…


#13

[QUOTE=“Derpington steel, post: 2682698, member: 312”]Yeah but he needs to get hard line and just fucking kick out all the Blairite relics.

WE DON’T WANT THE BLAIRITES!
WE VOTED OUT THE BLAIRITES!
THEREFORE, WE DON’T WANT BLAIRITES SABOTAGING THE PARTY FOR THEIR OWN SELF SERVING CAREER INTERESTS![/QUOTE]

“we don’t want an MP!”
“ever again!”


#14

[QUOTE=“Cameronism, post: 2682724, member: 5270”]Only a party with silence treatment for opposite sides of the EU ref…[/QUOTE]
“in more than a bit of a shambles rn”
"[B]in more[/B] than a bit"


#15

[QUOTE=“Joshrune, post: 2682726, member: 2313”]“in more than a bit of a shambles rn”
"[B]in more[/B] than a bit"[/QUOTE]

its ok
it’s 9:30 am and i just woke up


#16

@Sir Mobutu of Devonshire What do you need me to elaborate on? Surely you can’t argue that throwing out all Blairities is beneficial to the party? Given that Blairites are people who, pretty much, are the centre of British politics, it seems crazy for me to go utterly left-wing that you’re stepping back into Labour’s socialism policies of pre-WW1. Nobody in European history has ever won an election like that. Nobody.

You’re banking on five things:
[LIST]
[]The SNP will inexplicably fall to the point where Labour is able to fight Tory encroachment in the border areas and Labour is able to recapture urban strongholds. You’re also hoping that Scotland won’t get reduced # of MPs.
[]That the Tories will fuck up so incredibly hard it will be worse than 2009
[
]That the Blairites you just kicked out of your party will vote for it again, not only because they disagree with your ideology, but because [B]they hate you in revenge.[/B]
[]That the Lib Dems won’t pick up lost Blairite voters, since they’re close to Blair than to Corbyn, and thus somehow they must fail one way or another…
[
][B]That all of the above will happen at the same time to let far-left Labour win.[/B]
[/LIST]

  • The Tory government is fighting to reduce the number of MPs in Scotland by 10-15 because Scotland has the least proportionate seats in the country and thus disproportionate influence - the median number of voters in English constituencies is 75k, in Scotland it’s just under 60k. Scotland has at least a quarter more constituencies that they should.

Although the lost Scottish constituencies would almost inevitably go to London anyway.


#17

100%. His poor image is a creation of the media (which has a much bigger influnce than I think most people appreciate). If he and the party can pull themselves together and start responding more effectively and politics moves away from “who [I]looks[/I] like a leader” and moves to ACTUAL discussion about policy then Corbyn would win in 2020. The right wing media and tabloids are the reason he is “failing”.


#18

As Fitzy said, there is a conspiracy against Corbyn involving the tories, the media (that is owned by Tory donors), and dirty Blairites in the party.


#19

What makes you think that the UK is so left-wing that Corbyn would ever get anywhere near rule?


#20

[QUOTE=“Cameronism, post: 2682765, member: 5270”]What makes you think that the UK is so left-wing that Corbyn would ever get anywhere near rule?[/QUOTE]
Well, surveys conducted on the public have found that a majority of people would like infrastructure re-nationalised.