Who gets to decide which ideologies those are?
What if those people think an ideology is about that when it is actually not?
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No they want to end conflict by standing up to those who want to initiate it.
They are the ones initiating violence.
They were rioting because of someone who is not even those things but they just think he is.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Islam is inherently intolerant to non Muslims.
What they did in Berkley or during Trumps inauguration was in no way self defence.
That does not require violence.
You do not eliminate conflict and discrimination with conflict and discrimination. You just end up becoming the thing your sought out to destroy and perpetuating the cycle. This is the kind of logic people like the Nazis used to justify oppression of the Jews.
You get rid of it by allowing them to speak it and showing why they are wrong. If their ideas are bad they will lose the debate and people will see them lose.
You only resort to violence when they use violence first. AntiFa are the ones using violence. They are closer to Nazis than the people they call fascists.
The other points you made have already been refuted.
You are the one not listening. you are the one failing to understand the arguments because you are tribal and dogmatic and seem to lack the ability to view something from a perspective other than your own narrow one.
You are getting your arse handed to you because of that.