Challenge accepted. I will argue for my God, though obviously I find your description of him inept and unjustified. Please bear with me, I shall tackle each point separately, so that I am not misunderstood.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
If God is merely a concept as opposed to a being, then it follows that we have thought him into existence, thus obviously, man is greater. If however he is an actual being, one who created us and everything else, then it is impossible for us to be greater than him.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
We can think. God cannot.
If he is merely a concept, yes. The Christian God does not merely think, he knows all.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
We can reproduce true. God cannot.
He doesn’t need to, he created all.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
We can have many children. God cannot.
Physically, no. But why does he need to? How does this make him less? If anything, our need to reproduce merely highlights our mortality.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
We place the lives of our wives and families above our own. God does not.
Firstly, God does not need a physical family. Secondly, he loved us so much that he gave his life for us. Thirdly, not all place their families above themselves…[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
We would cure instead of kill. God kills.
Really? I see a hell of a lot of killing going on, much of which has no basis in religious extremism. [quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
We do not torture babies. God does.
No, we just crush their heads and rip their limbs off when we decide we don’t want them- so long as they’re still in the womb, of course. God does not torture babies (don’t you dare misquote Psalm 137).[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
We believe in freedom. God does not.
Bollocks. Much of the world is in bondage, economic, religious, social. God gives a choice, he does not force us to follow him.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
Jesus does which is why he took the judgement seat from His Father.
I honestly fail to see how you make that conclusion. He is said to sit at the right hand of the Father. The idea that he dethrones God is not only blatantly false, it is heretical (incomplete theology). It cannot be justified via scripture.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
or Karaite Jew like Jesus was.
No, he wasn’t. Have you even read his teachings? He was rather orthodox theologically.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
Jesus the Good as the Chrestians used to call him before Christianity reared it’s ugly head by reading their myths literally and embrace their God of War.
Your Jesus is not the Jesus of the NT, he is merely a wise teacher. Christianity was weak when it began, the idea that it somehow usurped some mystical teaching is bollocks. The four gospel accounts give the lie to your heresy.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
Thanks Christians for Islam.
Ummm what?! Islam is arguably more law-bound (excuse the awful expression) than Christianity, it teaches submission, not grace. Stop fooling yourself, Islam did not come out of Christianity (though it does claim that Jesus was a prophet).[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
Jesus shows the way with his advice to seek God by closeting yourself. Are you ready to follow Jesus or will you stick with your lying priests, preachers, Rabbi’s and Imams?
I am ready. Which is why I do not hide or closet myself away, I attempt to live as he taught, in humility, in love and in hope. [quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:1, topic:112638”]
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
You really MUST find some more verses. I have 4 entire gospels as a starting point for my theology, you cannot seriously be basing yours off a mere 3 verses. [quote=“Chucklenuts, post:5, topic:112638, full:true”]
we real, god aint
open and shut case johnson
Great argument right there ^^
That’s not a limit. If anything, it shows his power over Satan.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:11, topic:112638”]
No. He ended in murdering A & E by neglect
Have you even read Genesis 3!?[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:11, topic:112638”]
Did God get his way before the flood?
No as his sons of God used the earth as a brothel and God used genocide instead of curing to solve the Nephelim plague his sons created.
One could argue that the flood is a cure… No, I’m not arguing that, but still. How would you have him “cure” the world? Without taking their free will, and forcing them to submission?
None of the above “examples” prove that God has limits. The fact that we do not do what God wants us to do does not mean that he is limited, it means that we have been given the freedom to act as we would, despite as cocking up every time we seek our own devices.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:13, topic:112638”]
What is dumb is a theist saying the truth, that God is unknowable, and then spouting on about all that he knows about God.
God is knowable, as far as he has revealed himself to us. If he was completely unknowable, religion (at least the Abrahamic religions) would cease to exist. Knowing of/about God is NOT the same thing as knowing the mind of God. [quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:14, topic:112638”]
Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions.
Holding to a view of marriage that is thousands of years old is not homophobic. Some Christians and Muslims are homophobic (in the true sense of the word) and misogynistic. But guess what? So are some atheists. [quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:14, topic:112638”]
Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
Tosh. What did secular law develop from?[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:14, topic:112638”]
That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I.
No, because you are judging us by your own heretical misunderstandings of Jesus and his teachings. I see in your philosophy only attacks on religion (similar, interestingly, to the “new” atheistic position), and nothing on love, hope, justice, mercy, all the things that Jesus actually taught. Your argument is a profoundly negative one, I find few positive ideas.[quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:17, topic:112638”]
If Yahweh was real, he would be in hell, where he belongs.
I’m not touching that notion with a ten foot barge pole. [quote=“Greatest_I_am, post:17, topic:112638”]
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
And Richard Dawkins is arguably the most biased, angry, frustrated new atheist of them all. Stick to science Dawkins, you actually make sense when you talk about biology.
I find it odd that you seem to accept the “new” atheist position so willingly- God DOESN’T EXIST! (But if he does, he’s the worst, most disgusting being who isn’t worthy of praise). Heaven DOESN’T EXIST! (But if it does, I’m going to give God a piece of my mind!) Religion is the ROOT OF ALL EVIL! (What evil is without religion, I don’t know, and I can’t prove my point empirically anyway). Religion MUST BE ABOLISHED! (But how the hell we’re going to do that, I haven’t the foggiest).