Capitalism, Communism, and Fascism


#83

lol this thread is so fucked


#84

No it doesn’t, especially since I replied to Oli justifying Nazi appropriation of these symbols. They were different debates.

are you blind

Then don’t reply to me saying they ARENT socialist with a justification to classify them as such, doesn’t matter if you directly stated it or not


#85

Wut…?

He replied to you, but that doesn’t necessarily start the debate… @BingoBongoLand clarified your comments, you argued with him about it, and then you said “no, I basically agree with your clarifcations, and you started this debate.”

Or at least that’s what it looked like to me.


#86

If you say “Christianity isn’t authoritarian fundamentalist” and I reply “but many Christians are” I’m not clarifying with you.


#87

So you’re not denying you replied to me first, which btw, is how you start a debate, it takes two to tango, though it seems your stiletto broke and along with it, so did your ankle.

Well shit, you’ve never directly stated that you don’t kill people for shits and giggles so that’s the assumption i’m going with as to what you do for funsies.


#88

It kinda is though, because it’s clarifying your statement by making it more accurate.

#onemorepointlessdebateneitherofuswantstogetinto


#89

replied to Oli

Sure Bingo, apparently you are also Oli.


#90

We do have similar hair styles


#91

But you’re raysist


#92

Slavros is… an interesting one. He’s incredibly knowledgeable but on the same token his militancy is unrealistic and his attitude is one that is unapproachable. I am not sure where you get the trap porn part from, but I do know he memed some lefties about getting arrested for child porn once. I don’t like him either so I won’t debate you on this point.

No malice intended when I ask this; which do you derive your knowledge from?

sounds like you got gassed on the forum once

Even you yourself has to admit fascism as an ideology in standard discourse has morphed to something more than the National Fascists. Regardless, it’s purely semantics. Ideologies change and evolve to situations.

Oh wait hold up before I respond,[quote=“Flavia, post:63, topic:110853”]
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tips fedora kindly

To be fair, it is very difficult for me to believe that you were ever legitimately a fascist. Especially considering your gender diasphora (not just ad hominem here- it legitimately makes it seem as if you were confused for a time).

80% of your philosophical posts have drawn from obscure socialists or Nietzsche/ Hegel (that I have read). So I don’t know which fascist writers you have read and can only make assumptions based on present information.

What exactly would you limit the scope of fascism to versus NS?


#93

its a microcosm of the whole forum


#94

soz, I should’ve let it die.


#95

More like I once had an annoying debate with an Iron Marcher on another forum which never got anywhere because they refused to accept anything other than Iron March as a source on Fascism, it pretty much made it unable for me to take them seriously. Especially when they criticize trying to have real life policies as “live action roleplaying,” in contrast to their… forum roleplaying? [quote=“Champion, post:92, topic:110853”]
Even you yourself has to admit fascism as an ideology in standard discourse has morphed to something more than the National Fascists. Regardless, it’s purely semantics. Ideologies change and evolve to situations.
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So which is it, is Fascism some sort of cosmic weltanschuung or is it simply an ideology which has evolved? Even then I’d disagree that this is some sort of evolved Fascism, I’ve never seen any party or movement advocate these positions in real life. [quote=“Champion, post:92, topic:110853”]
To be fair, it is very difficult for me to believe that you were ever legitimately a fascist. Especially considering your gender diasphora (not just ad hominem here- it legitimately makes it seem as if you were confused for a time).
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Honestly not going to get into this whole thing because it’s stupid - just going to point out that the founders of Fascism included a cocaine addicted autogynophialiac, a free love advocate, and a man who thought that his wife was his sister and felt tender about this.[quote=“Champion, post:92, topic:110853”]
80% of your philosophical posts have drawn from obscure socialists or Nietzsche/ Hegel (that I have read). So I don’t know which fascist writers you have read and can only make assumptions based on present information.
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There are only two obscure socialist figures I can recall bringing up - Sorel (and if you think he’s irrelevant to Fascism, you really shouldn’t be debating anything about the ideology) and Stirner, both of whom influenced Fascism to a degree.

Nietzsche and Hegel were alive before Fascism was created, but they both played an extremely significant role in forming the ideological foundation of Fascism. So they’re pretty relevant (though I read neither because of their relationship to Fascism - I just liked their philosophies).


#96

Fascist hatred for capitalism is well known, they were more sympathetic to the Communists than the capitalists, the main reason for siding with the latter tended to be nationalism rather than any affinity for capitalism. Mussolini called himself the “Italian Lenin,” told a young admirer “Fascism and Communism are the same thing,” and later tried to initiate some form of socialization in the Social Republic. Not really the behavior of a man who’s an ardent capitalist.[quote=“Alexandrovich, post:70, topic:110853”]
they dont seem interested in liberating the working class from capitalism
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They tended to support national class collaboration rather than class conflict, based on the reality that people sided more with their nationality than with their class (Mussolini discovered he was “desperately Italian,” while fighting on the front).
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Could you recommend any books on fascism? I have read the beginning of The Anatomy of Fascism quite a while ago but never read far past the first few chapters as it was a friends, so, if you dont recommend any, I’ll just go with that.


#97

Young Mussolini and the Intellectual Origins of Fascism and Giovanni Gentile Philosopher of Fascism are two good books if you’re interested in learning about Fascism. You can read the whole first book for free on Google Books.


#98

Just a couple I recommend:

  • The Doctrine of Fascism
  • Fascism: One Hundred Questions Asked And Answered (Great for an understanding of British Fascism)
  • Fascism For The Million (Besides these two I haven’t read any more of Mosley’s works besides being half-way through ‘Europe: Faith and Plan’

#99

I heard my name and ran as quickly as possible.


#101

Fascism is a Corporatist ideology. No where near free market Capitalism. Most Fascists were also Socialists, however Corporatism is wildly different from Capitalism. Capitalism is not Fascist and Fascism is not Capitalism. End of story.