Gun control uk style

since they took the guns away, crime has gone up 242%. peter… ???

Hmmm… wasn’t that Charlton Heston who said that, he the one who decided to go ahead with a gun rally in a town 2 weeks after they had had another mass school shooting?

Love to know where he was quoting from because he didn’t mention it anywhere in that pathetic ramble.

Hollywood actor Charlton Heston has attacked the UK’s anti-gun laws in a speech to students at Oxford University.
The Oscar-winning actor, and president of the influential National Rifle Association (NRA) in the US, said British anti-gun laws had led to an increase in gun-related crime.
In an address to the Oxford Union, he said the right to carry arms, enshrined in the US Constitution, maintained freedom and actually saved lives.
He described the UK’s anti-gun laws as nothing but “cultural cowardice and a subtle form of surrender to the criminals”.

Possession of a gun does not make a man a criminal

Charlton Heston
[FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]The actor said those UK laws were the result of an unwritten constitution which gave politicians too much power.
He said: “I have spent my life in service to these two sacred sets of work. The gift of human passion in William Shakespeare and the gift of human freedom enshrined in the American bill of human rights.”
The staunch Republican supporter, and a campaigner for Governor George W Bush, also described the cliff-hanger US elections as a mess.
Mr Heston said: “I think Mr Gore is filing these lawsuits and it is inappropriate.”
“It certainly is making a mess of things as they stand.”
He added: “Whichever man is installed in the Oval Office will have his tenure in question. He will not have an easy time.”
The NRA vociferously opposed Al Gore in the build-up to the recent US election.
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Heston is president of the National Rifle Association

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]The76-year-old actor surprised some by reading from an autocue at the Oxford Union, which has witnessed speeches from political leaders and celebrities.
In a well-researched, carefully-argued speech he spoke little of his cinematic career and instead spoke about his fight to retain the right to bear arms.
He said: “I submit that the freedom I advance saves lives and the freedoms denied in this country do not only cost lives but cheapen lives.”
He told the assembled students: “Since the Labour Government banned hand guns in 1997 firearms crimes have risen.”
Mr Heston said he would be “safer stepping off the plane in Los Angeles… than walking the streets of London.”
The NRA has five million members and is widely regarded as one of the most powerful private interests lobby groups in the US.
“Before you look fretfully down your noses, ask yourselves why crime is on the rise because we need more gun laws or because we need to enforce the laws you have.”
‘Unfashionable cause’
The actor said that defending firearms freedom was not fashionable in Hollywood and denied that the NRA was a gun lobby.
“Possession of a gun does not make a man a criminal or more likely to commit a crime,” he argued.
Some questions from students about the role of the NRA and the nature of gun violence in the US were ignored.
Mr Heston described the American Constitution as an “almost flawless” document and said the bill of human rights “deepened and expanded” the place of the US in the world.
Mr Heston has starred in some of the greatest movies ever to have come out of Hollywood.
He took lead roles in epics Ben Hur, El Cid and The Ten Commandments.
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Heston starred in Planet of the Apes which is being re-made

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]One of his favourite films, he said, was Planet of the Apes, which is being re-made by Batman director Tim Burton.
The veteran said he was in discussions with the producers to take a cameo role in the film.
But he said he doubted the original could be bettered.
“It has got the best ending of any film”, referring to the scene when his character confronts a broken Statue of Liberty embedded in the sand.

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No thats not who said it. Funny you went directly to him.

So care to tell me where this stat comes from?

Homicide and firearms crime

In 2005/06 there were 766 offences initially recorded as homicide by the police in England and Wales (including the 52 victims of the 7 July 2005 London bombings[/URL]),[15] a rate of 1.4 per 100,000 of population. Only 50 (6.6%) were committed with firearms, one being with an air weapon.[16] The homicide rate for London was 2.4 per 100,000 in the same year (1.7 when excluding the 7 July bombings).[17]


By comparison, 5.5 murders per 100,000 of population were reported by police in the United States in 2000, of which 70% involved the use of firearms (75% of which were illegally obtained).[18] New York City, with a population size similar to London and similar firearms laws with almost all firearms prohibited to normal citizens (over 7 million residents), reported 6.9 murders per 100,000 people in 2004.[URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#_note-17”][19]

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Ali, it’s always good to list your sources when giving bogus or overstipulated facts

Stupid illegally obtained guns. If gun shop owners and manufacturers clamped down on this, then it wouldn’t be that high of a percentage.

People blame manufacturers for the crimes, but some guy lookin to make money will sell a semi auto anything to anyone who walks through the doors for cash on the spot.

[quote=“TheOriginalJames, post: 318426”]Stupid illegally obtained guns. If gun shop owners and manufacturers clamped down on this, then it wouldn’t be that high of a percentage.

People blame manufacturers for the crimes, but some guy lookin to make money will sell a semi auto anything to anyone who walks through the doors for cash on the spot.[/quote]

or the gun owners who don’t respect the fact that guns ARE dangerous in the hands of criminals, don’t lock them up and allow them to be stolen. Nothing like handing your deadly weapons over to criminals.

Banning firearms in a country like America will only make crime worse. Its relatively easy to obtain a ILLEGAL firearm off the streets, and if you ban LEGAL, civilian ownership of guns for defense you’re only making the criminal’s job easier. Plus, it doesn’t matter what you do about guns, criminals will always have them.

it takes 10 minutes to obtain a gun in this state! freaking unbalievealbe…thats why i gotz to own one , you never know whats going to happen!

I do think the process of getting a gun in some states should be tighter. Its just that banning something will do nothing.

true, i was just arguing this point to a friend of my shes completely libral and thinks guns should be outlawed…i was just stating a point!

Meh, I’m a libertarian myself.

oh lord, you people ! lol…eh what yo ugonna do right?

Liberal and libertarian are two completely different things.

yeah dont know? im a talker…thats different to

I don’t know what you’re getting at.:tongue:

lol all that talk is for the birdz…i just go with the flow, speak my mind when i should, and even more when i shouldnt!! not gett’n at much really;)

[quote=“RecklessTim, post: 318425”]source

Ali, it’s always good to list your sources when giving bogus or overstipulated facts[/quote]

scuze me Tim, I did not use quotes or claim any truth or validity to this. :muscles:

that is absolutely UNTRUE. get your information from another source.

ummm NO ITS NOT i went with my fasha the other day and we just recently purchased a gun…its just real quick paper work we were in and out in a mtter of minutes, maybe not ten…but damn near close…no longer then a half hour!