I’m not ignoring it though. This whole argument has been on calling supernatural believing people stupid. My point is, you can’t just assume someone’s intelligence from their religious beliefs. Then this devolved into a debate about the effect of religion, which it is undeniable the role religion has played in shaping the world, both for the better and worse. And what do you have to say to the plentitude of women and lgbt members that are religious? Because there are many gays who are christian(both catholic and protestant), because the new testament preaches forgiveness and all that. The only reason anyone is bigoted today is mainly of their own personal beliefs. All religious documents(like the Bible or Quran) have been interpreted in many ways, allowing for diversity of belief. So you can’t just lump all supernatural believing people in together, because that’s literally most of the planet. Most people believe in some sort of religion, or ghosts.
That ‘law’ has no application here. Something doesn’t have to bee ‘intelligent’ or ‘stupid’. It can be neither. I never said god existed, in which case that law would have applicability, because there’s nothing between existence and non-existence. There is an in-between between Stupidity and Intelligence.
How am I stuck up? By stating that it’s pompous to call every supernatural believing person stupid? O.K.
Okay, so your view of morality isn’t necessarily the ‘right’ way.(ofc i agree with you that lgbt and women are equal to anyone else.) But since morality is subjective, everyone can choose their morals, meaning no set of morals is actually ‘correct’.
Ofc altruism exists, but realize those animals are doing it for animals similar to themselves. We don’t know how early humans would have reacted to homosexuality(now they probably wouldn’t have worried too much about it, but we don’t know). Maybe as they developed, they would have come to disapprove of homosexuality without the influence of religion. We can’t ever know.
No you’re not, if you’re truly secular you would be able to provide evidence. Your claim of secular law coming from people who are more intelligent and moral that those who were around 2-3thousand years ago is unproven! Who are these people? Because let me tell you, most of the laws made in the united states today were made by religious people(now the laws are not biblical law, but the people who made them were religious. I doubt John Marshall would fit your criteria of morality and intelligence.)
Also again, I’m not defending or agreeing with the beliefs of supernatural believing people. I’m merely saying that you can’t call people stupid just because of their religious beliefs, and that to ignore the role of religion in history is unsecular. The evidence is all there, religion has done damage, but it has been important throughout history. To accept that fact isn’t me being theistic, it’s me recognizing it’s role. Just because I recognize the importance of religion in history and I recognize the fact that people may find solace in religion(women and lgbt people alike) doesn’t mean I accept a religion in its entirety. It just means I have the capability to see the benefit of something I disagree with to some people. That’s it.