South Africa

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#1

The government is still turning South Africa into a Communist, unproductive, and self destructing African State. Will this be Rhodesia 2.0? What is your opinion on the matter?


#2

Whatever it is it can’t be much worse than apartheid, but yeah communism is a bad idea. When will people learn from history…


#3

History has nothing to do with this, communism was never applied anywhere, and capitalism is just the same shit, but it, at least, was applied and seemed to work on some nations.


#4

Oof, it seems we have a deluded Communist over here. “Communism has never been tried.” Come on pal, it has been tried but it always failed, which is why nut jobs like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and more exist. The only successful communist state (yes there was one that worked) is Cuba. That’s because it is extraordinarily homogeneous, you can only leave by boat or air, and the non-revolutionaries were shipped out or killed.


#5

Defining Communism has been kind of hard for in the past, but looking at history, I have noticed two very common forms of Communism being implemented: Marxism-Leninism and Maoism.

Leninism (Or Marxism-Leninism if you like obnoxiously long names) is an elitist ideology asserting that the proletariat doesn’t know what’s good for them, so they have to live through a “planned economy” where the Capitalist industrialization is rushed as fast as it can in order to reach Socialism. The two fatal flaws of this system are the fact that rushing through Capitalism condenses lots of injustices into a short time span stripping an entire generation of any sort of freedom and that the “proletarian” dictator decides that this State Capitalist system he’s created suites him well, so he will end up never relinquishing the power. The USSR and Cuba are examples of ML.

Maoism (or Maoism Third Worldism if you like obnoxiously long names) is an anti-elitist yet equally absurd ideology that believes that the 1st world proletariat are exploiters of the third world proletariat. This is the ideology that is the source of the whole “intellectualism is colonialism” bullshit that some of the modern useful idiots like to spout. it also contains the same authoritarian dictatorship of the proletariat garbage that Leninism has. I would also like to go on a small tangent here in order to claim that I think M3W is caused by similar racial insecurities that created National Socialism. China, Campuchea, and the DPRK (somewhat) are examples of M3W.

There are other forms of Communism out there like traditional Marxism, which I think isn’t all that possible considering how often it gets bastardised. There’s Market Communism found in Tito’s Yugoslavia; I like this one a bit more, but I think Yugoslavia was only held together by joint funding from both Unions and just Tito himself. There’s Trotskyism which has never been tried, and I honestly don’t know much about Left Communism in general. Finally, there’s anarcho-communism which I like the most, but I still disagree with them on collectivism which I think is another form of authoritarianism.

As a libertarian socialist somewhat (I believe in everyone owning their own means of production), I think that the Communism that has been tried enough for us to see that Marx’s solutions to the Capitalist problem are not actually that good. Instead, I encourage Socialists to find new angles, especially ones that appeal to even supposed Capitalists and other right-wingers. In the end, I seek a system where Capitalists are able to relinquish the oppression of massive corporations like Monsanto, De Beers, and Walmart while the Socialists can tolerate personal freedoms including the free market.

P.S. I feel like this post is a bit rambly, but I hope you get the point I’m trying to make.