The Catholic church is f'ed up!

Wanted to know what everyone elses views on this were…esp the ones that are 100% against abortion.
Nine-Year-Old’s Abortion Outrages Brazil’s Catholic Church - TIME

  	    	 			   									 										[B]Nine-Year-Old's Abortion Outrages Brazil's Catholic Church[/B]

									By [Andrew Downie / São Paulo](javascript:void(0)) Friday, Mar. 06, 2009
								 									
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										Demonstrators hold a banner during an antiabortion march in Brasília
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		 	 	 	 	 			  	 The case of the pregnant 9-year-old was shocking enough. But it was the response of the Catholic Church that infuriated many Brazilians. Archibishop Jose Cardoso Sobrinho of the coastal city of Recife announced that the Vatican was excommunicating the family of a local girl who had been raped and impregnated with twins by her stepfather, because they had chosen to have the girl undergo an abortion. The Church excommunicated the doctors who performed the procedure as well. "God's laws," said the archbishop, dictate that abortion is a sin and that transgressors are no longer welcome in the Roman Catholic Church. "They took the life of an innocent," Sobrinho told TIME in a telephone interview. "Abortion is much more serious than killing an adult. An adult may or may not be an innocent, but an unborn child is most definitely innocent. Taking that life cannot be ignored."
The case has caused a furor. Abortion is illegal in Brazil except in cases of rape or when the mother's life is in danger, both of which apply in this case. (The girl's immature hips would have made labor dangerous; the Catholic opinion was that she could have had a cesarean section.) When the incident came to light in local newspapers, the Church first asked a judge to halt the process and then condemned those involved, including the 9-year-old's distraught mother. Even Catholic Brazilians were shocked at the harshness of the archbishop's actions. "In this case, most people support the doctors and the family. Everything they did was legal and correct," says Beatriz Galli, the policy associate for Ipas Brasil, an NGO that fights to give women more say over their health and reproductive rights. "But the Church takes these positions that are so rigid that it ends up weakened. It is very intolerant, and that intolerance is going to scare off more and more followers." ([See pictures of the Pope's last visit to Brazil.](http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1620584,00.html))

Brazilian devotion to the Catholic Church has declined over the past several years. Whereas Brazil was once an almost entirely Catholic nation, only 74% of Brazilians today admit allegiance to Rome, with large numbers, especially the urban poor, having defected to Protestant Evangelical sects. Many more water down their Catholicism with dashes of African religions such as Candomble or spiritist beliefs such as Kardecism. Only recently has the decrease in Catholic affiliation seemingly leveled off.
Evangelicals have not projected a united pro-life platform in Brazil, certainly not one as monolithic as the Catholic Church’s. But at least one major sect, the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, has taken a stance that showcases its differences with its Catholic rival. The Universal Church’s television channel TV Record recently aired spots featuring a woman declaring, “I decided who to marry. I decided to use the pill. With my vote I decided who’d be elected President. I decided to work so that I won’t be discriminated against. Why can’t I decide what to do with my own body? Women should be able to decide for themselves what’s important.” (See the top 10 religion stories of 2008.)
The public-relations campaigns of the Catholic Church’s rivals do not impress Archbishop Cardoso Sobrinho. He told TIME that the Vatican rejects believers who pick and choose their issues. Rome “is not going to open the door to anyone just to get more members,” he said after comparing abortion to the Holocaust. “We know that people have other ideas, but if they do, then they are not Catholics. We want people who adhere to God’s laws.”
In Brazil, that hard line carries over into public life and government policy. While equally devout neighbors Mexico, Colombia and Uruguay have taken steps to give women more of a say in the matter of terminating pregnancies, Brazilian public opinion supports the status quo, and the country’s Congress last year voted overwhelmingly to reject a modest attempt at decriminalizing abortion. The advances that have taken place are mostly local initiatives carried out almost surreptitiously, such as the move by São Paulo states to offer the morning-after pill and heavily discounted contraceptive pills at state-run pharmacies. (See pictures of São Paulo trying to renew itself.)
President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva did make a halfhearted attempt to spur a national debate last year, calling abortion a public-health issue — even as he declared himself steadfastly against it. But with the Church quick to stifle such talk and the general public not sufficiently engaged to demand action, the debate never took off. In truth, abortions and unwanted pregnancies are a sad constant in Brazil. Although abortion is illegal, an estimated 1 million women each year have one. The poor are forced into clandestine clinics or take medication, while the better-off are treated by qualified physicians at well-appointed surgeries known to anyone with money and overlooked by colluding authorities.
That secrecy has a price. More than 200,000 women each year are treated in public hospitals for complications arising from illegal abortions, according to Health Ministry figures. Those who don’t have the courage or the money to be treated take the pregnancy to term. Although the fertility rate has fallen considerably in Brazil (from 6.1 children in 1960 to about 2 today), 1 in 3 pregnancies is unwanted, according to Dr. Jefferson Drezett, head of the Hospital Perola Byington, Latin America’s largest women’s health clinic. Meanwhile, 1 in 7 Brazilian women between the ages of 15 and 19 is a mother, and the average age at which women have their first child has fallen to 21, from 22.4 in 1996, according to a government-funded study. (See pictures of America’s purity ball.)
Those numbers shock the Catholic Church. But the Church’s response to the Recife rape and abortion has shocked public opinion. Some Brazilians hope the controversy may compel the country to deal seriously with an issue that affects so many of its citizens. “Brazil wants to be a world leader, but the government can’t guarantee equality for women,” says Galli. “This is not a topic that anyone wants to debate.”

Fuck Catholicism, no one should tell anyone what they should do or not do with their own being. The child was 9 years old. Getting your underwear wedged up your ass over this is just Catholics trying to push their extremist views down the throats of people who obviously don’t give a rats ass.

i dont like the catholic religon at all. i cant stand it. ugh. i dont mind the misguided catholic church goers but the religion in a whole is fucked up :mad

they are freaking ridiculous when it comes to this story

i am against abortion in some things but i am not 100% against it. the child was raped and obviously that is not healthy for 9 year old to deliver a baby. this child is emotionally scarred for life.

they need to mind their own business

The Catholic religion is a cunt, there, I said it. Some Catholics arn’t but they dont realise how offensive their religion is.

http://www.offtopicz.com/42135-vatican-backs-abortion-row-bishop.html

I find it sad that so many folks get brain washed into that bullshit. Be an individual for fuck’s sake. Don’t let a church control your actions and thought process.

Most of the responses are offense, me being a Catholic myself.
We’re not all Bible-thumpers and stupid twats like you portray us to be.
I’m pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pro-death penalty and have never read the Bible. Not every Catholic is a “cunt.”

[quote=“KellyBean, post: 1063408”]Most of the responses are offense, me being a Catholic myself.
We’re not all Bible-thumpers and stupid twats like you portray us to be.
I’m pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pro-death penalty and have never read the Bible. Not every Catholic is a “cunt.”[/quote]

Do you think the Pope would approve of your beliefs?

Don’t honestly care. I don’t really know thoroughly who the Pope us to be quite honest.

Not a true Catholic.

[quote=“KellyBean, post: 1063410”]Don’t honestly care. I don’t really know thoroughly who the Pope us to be quite honest.[/quote]Are you a Catholic by choice through family ties to religion? Because honestly why even be catholic at all?

Maybe not according to your standards but your opinion does not alter me or my faith and beliefs. I was Baptized, attended religion class weekly and and was Confirmed.

I believe what I need to believe to make it as a “Catholic” and coming from a strict Catholic family of many weekly church-goers, I am no less of a Catholic just because I choose to believe from the comfort of my own home instead of sitting on a wooden bench having scripture read to me.

I was born into a Catholic family but they do not and have not ever altered my beliefs. I believe what I want to believe purely by choice.

[quote=“KellyBean, post: 1063413”]Maybe not according to your standards but your opinion does not alter me or my faith and beliefs. I was Baptized, attended religion class weekly and and was Confirmed.

I believe what I need to believe to make it as a “Catholic” and coming from a strict Catholic family of many weekly church-goers, I am no less of a Catholic just because I choose to believe from the comfort of my own home instead of sitting on a wooden bench having scripture read to me.[/quote]

I have no standards, where religion is concerned, I think all religion is shit. However, according to the Catholic belief, you are not a true Cathoilic.

As do I but I do not need religion to do so.

[quote=“KellyBean, post: 1063408”]Most of the responses are offense, me being a Catholic myself.
We’re not all Bible-thumpers and stupid twats like you portray us to be.
I’m pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pro-death penalty and have never read the Bible. Not every Catholic is a “cunt.”[/quote]

Then you aren’t exactly living by the rules of your chosen religion, are you?

I did not read the entire article, but I believe I got the gist of it. First, I am not Catholic and I have certain fundamental problems with catholicism. Second, the posts some of you have made I think are extremely offensive and KellyBean has every right to be offended. You should keep your thoughts on the article and not make personal attacks on KellyBean. Most of you aren’t even making a real attempt at providing your thoughts on the article other than…fuck the church, fuck catholicism and so on.

I am christian and I am nondenominational. (meaning i don’t belong to a particular sect of christianity) I think either you truly believe in God, and therefore you are a christian or you don’t, it’s that simple.

Now I am 100% against abortion reguardless of circumstances. I also believe what the catholic church did in Brazil was wrong. They are not displaying christian values. Put simply, if they were, they would have tried to council them on their decision and show that God forgives them. Not ban them.

[quote=“KpAtch3s, post: 1063418”]
Now I am 100% against abortion reguardless of circumstances. I also believe what the catholic church did in Brazil was wrong. They are not displaying christian values. Put simply, if they were, they would have tried to council them on their decision and show that God forgives them. Not ban them.[/quote]

I find that disgusting!

[quote=“KpAtch3s, post: 1063418”]I did not read the entire article, but I believe I got the gist of it. First, I am not Catholic and I have certain fundamental problems with catholicism. Second, the posts some of you have made I think are extremely offensive and KellyBean has every right to be offended. You should keep your thoughts on the article and not make personal attacks on KellyBean. Most of you aren’t even making a real attempt at providing your thoughts on the article other than…fuck the church, fuck catholicism and so on.

I am christian and I am nondenominational. (meaning i don’t belong to a particular sect of christianity) I think either you truly believe in God, and therefore you are a christian or you don’t, it’s that simple.

Now I am 100% against abortion reguardless of circumstances. I also believe what the catholic church did in Brazil was wrong. They are not displaying christian values. Put simply, if they were, they would have tried to council them on their decision and show that God forgives them. Not ban them.[/quote]
this is the debate forum, opinions as such are welcome here. U may need a thicker skin.

My skin is quite thick enough. You guys simply were not debating anything.

I actually agree with Dana, for once. :nod: