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#8189

Oh bullshit. If you actually cared about that you would have said something about that instead of just insulting me.

Do not act like you suddenly have a moral objection to being a dick. You are just trying to justify your own shitty behavior by making it seem like it was some criticism of my behavior. I see right through it.

Oh, this shit again. Funny how you constantly say shit like this and actually complained on Discord abut me repeating myself. This is nothing more than a pointless effort to belittle me.

Which you did by just insulting me. Assuming of course that you actually did it for this reason and not just to be a dick.

As opposed to someone who is not an immature arsehole who does this by actually trying to talk out their disagreements with the person.

I already explained why I think you do.

Who actually behaves more like a mature adult than you do.

If those people were to change side and start saying the same stuff I do about you would keep saying the same stuff you do now? Or would you “see sense”?

I could say I have. But what would that prove?


#8190

Doubt it was him. He was a hardcore Ultra for what I remember. Ultras are usually serious.


#8191

No, you really don’t. Stop with the persecution complex please, it’s getting old and tiresome.

That would be a pretty good indication I was wrong. Considering how different in beliefs all the people you’ve irritated are. But this is just a hypothetical. None of them agree with what you say, because the stuff you say is quite frankly retarded.


#8192

Sorry about that. I was actually interested in hearing about the new poster’s beliefs but got sidetracked.


#8193

Pointing that stuff out is hardly a “persecution complex”. And neither is pointing out that your behavior is abhorrent.

How about you stop with the superiority complex.

It is really not. I mean, if this place was full of flat-Earthers and they said you are stupid would you feel any less sure that the Earth is round? I would hope you actually judge who is right based on what you see, not what the majority opinion is.

How many of them have the same beliefs as me?

Yeah, and people disagree with things you say as well. So what?


#8194

Them arguing that my personality is what you make it out to be is not similar to the thoroughly discredited notion that the world was flat. It’s an asinine comparison. [quote=“Cameron, post:8193, topic:104417”]
How many of them have the same beliefs as me?
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Joshrune is a liberal capitalist, so is Shank, I am the Senate, etc. all of them disagree with me on just about everything. They’re individualists, I am collectivist. They are liberal, I am illiberal. They are capitalist, I am corporatist.

Whatever, I’m done arguing with you. You can go back to being the forum’s punching bag and pretending you’re special and everyone is picking on you because of that.


#8195

Collectivism and individualism are extremely broad categories both of whom include a variety of militaristic and pacifistic ideologies. It doesn’t make sense to blame collectivism for atrocities any more than it does to blame individualism for Western imperialism which was responsible for the cultural genocide and exploitation of millions of colonial people.

Anyone only needs to read Friedrich Nietzsche, Ayn Rand, Max Stirner, and their disciples to know that individualism can be used to justify violent crimes and it has. Anarchist illegalists in France and other parts of Southern Europe carried out terrorism and robberies which resulted in murder on the basis that they were free spirits. Ayn Rand justified the murder of a young girl by a man who needed money for Bible college and accused the jurors who sentenced him to death of mediocre collectivism. Leopold and Lieb were two youth who read Nietzsche and murdered a young boy to prove their superiority.


#8196

George Orwell took a bullet on the neck for the socialist cause. Yet almost every amerilard I talk to seems to think that he was a capitalist…


#8197

You completely missed the point. The differences are irrelevant, it was just an example to explain the logic.

I do believe I have had negative interactions with (some of) them about the things we did disagree on. Do they have any problems with me that are not just thinking I am stupid?

I do not think I am perfect, I just do not think you and those other people are perfectly innocent.

I am not so much saying “collectivism always causes atrocities” as much as I am saying “the atrocities that happen are almost always caused by collectivist ideologies”. And I would not say Western imperialism was caused by individualism in the same way things like the holocaust were caused by collectivism.

Sure, let us say these are all because of individualism. They are still in no way as pervasive or horrific as any genocide or war. I am not saying individualism is perfect anyway.

The problem with collectivism is that it often leads to in-group/out-group thinking. This can cause people to favour the in-group and demonize the out-group. Because of prejudices they develop towards the groups they start judging everyone in those groups based on those prejudices which leads to things like racism/sexism/homophobia etc. and in extreme circumstances dehumanization, oppression, and genocide. It is a lot harder for this to happen when you judge people as individuals and do not hold prejudices based on groups or demographics they are in.

I am more specifically against in-group/out-group thinking and I do not like collectivism because it leads to this.


#8198

@Flavia @Cameron
>Using individualism and collectivism as accurate labels unironically


#8199

Not sure how this is me supporting using them as accurate labels instead of abstract categories which include numerous mutually exclusive ideologies.


#8200

“In a single stroke, we’ll assassinate the leaders of capitalism.”

B A S E D I S A O
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#8201

I miss the days when I was a r/neoliberal. My first posts on NationStates and first YD acc are weird to read now.


#8202

Shook


#8203

Incidentally, the Celts were a thoroughly blond race. People are wrong when they link the traces of a basically dark-haired population, which are noticeable on the carefully prepared ethnographic maps of Germany, with any Celtic origin and mixing of blood, as Virchow does. It is much rather the case that in these places the pre-Aryan population of Germany emerged. (The same is true for almost all of Europe: essentially the conquered races finally attained the upper hand for themselves once again in colour, shortness of skull, perhaps even in the intellectual and social instincts. Who can confirm for us that modern democracy, the even more modern anarchism, and indeed that preference for the “Commune,” for the primitive form of society, which all European socialists now share, does not indicate a monstrous counter-attack and that the ruling and master race, the Aryans, is not being defeated, even physiologically?)–

Communism confirmed for brunette plot against the blonde race.

I found you out, @Goon_mog and @StrangeSignal you snakes in the grass.


#8204

Nietzsche wiriting pseudo-scientific bullshit. Imagine my shock.


#8205

This is how I feel whenever reading anything by Marx.


#8206

Except that Marx doesn’t make useless claims into biology, besides defending evolution, and could actually take being proven wrong, as the “Asiatic Mode of Production” fiasco showed.

But hey! Let’s make useless equivalences. Why not?


#8207

No he just makes useless claims about teleology and economics.

It being useless is just another thing it has in common with you.


#8208

Well shit, we just lost 2 major posters here, rip.

(Also if your reading this flavia your a celt as well)