Why don't the management care about the users?


To start this thread, I’m going to list some quotes and posts from our new overseer, @shaz, just to give an insight as to his thoughts on us, the users.

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

Exhibit C:

Exhibit D:

Exhibit E:

Exhibit F:

Exhibit G:

Putting up a poll to gauge the “pulse” of the community, then disregarding a supermajority of the users.

It’s quite clear to see that Shaz couldn’t care less about this forum, its members, its history, or what else, I think he’d quite happily wipe this forum clean and start again if he thought it was best. At least with past forum leaders they would have some degree of restraint if the community was in open backlash against a policy, but those days are clearly over.

To run a forum, or any body effectively, you need the users on your side, especially a forum with a small core of active members which are, coincidentally, the same people being alienated by these policies.

Leading on from this, let’s address just a few of the quotes above, specifically things like “Don’t worry so much.” “Don’t worry too much about this for now.” I’m sorry, but does he actually know where he is? He’s on a debating forum for politically interested young people, these are going to be some of the most analytical, politically engaged and damn-right argumentative people out there, telling us “Not to worry” about a major change in the forum rules (a paradigm shift from the tradition of free speech that has been championed by this forum since its inception) is quite frankly insulting, and shows how out of touch Shaz is with reality.

So I ask you fellow users this the following:

Does the management care enough about the opinions of the users?

  • Yes
  • No

0 voters

Do you have confidence in the current management’s administration of the forum?

  • Yes
  • No

0 voters

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Great poll, I’m sure I’ll learn a lot from it.

If you don’t like the direction of the forum, feel free to message me directly and let’s chat about it. I’m surprised at the amount of uproar but the lack of reaching out. Sure I’d love the users on my side, but I’m not going to jeopardize the growth of the forum because 12 people think derogatory terms should be allowed.

I’m not like the past leaders, if you have an issue with that feel free to PM me. Otherwise I encourage you to stick around as there will be investments made for the future of this community.


You made the poll about the derogatory terms because people didn’t like the most successful threads in recent history. I’m not sure where you get the idea that banning things that have always been in the forum will somehow bring it greater success, when it’s periods of greater success have had some of the freest speech policies in the history of the forum.


You mean the most active 12 people?

What derogatory terms?

Nigger? That’s the Latin adjective for black.
Faggot? That’s a bundle of twigs that’s once bound together become stronger than you realise (I think you should remember the older members of this forum are like the fasces, and you should be careful where you tread).


In the last 24 hours how much has the stricter moderation of derogatory terms affected you and your free speech?


You have literally just summed up the exact reason why Waller made this poll with your opening line. Congratu-fucking-lations on winning “Biggest Tit of the Year 2016” award. You’ve come in, turned the old guard against you, and are ploughing down a path of “lalalalala idgaf I know best, if they don’t like it, off they fuck”. Good fucking lord, wise up lad.


Nah, I’d rather have a public, open discussion where everyone can voice their opinions, thanks. Transparency and democracy are quite nice, donchaknow?

This is where you appear to have a distinct ignorance of how people think and how to manage people.

Let’s take the EU referendum for example, 52% voted to leave, 48% to remain, great. Let’s say the government ignored that result, do you think only 52% of people would be pissed off? Of course not, people do respect other opinion’s opinions, and do defer to democracy. Just because 15 (yeah, 15 not 12, sorry) voted to allow it, it doesn’t mean only 15 people will be annoyed that you disregard their opinion. Also, it’s worth noting you proposed a change to the status quo, how many people voted to support your change?

5. Pitiful.


Yes those terms. Doesn’t sound like “faggot” is being used to describe a bundle of sticks to me.


Is that relevant? You’re saying you want to enact the policy to encourage growth, when the last 48 hours has shown that we get more activity when the policy isn’t in action (and specifically wouldn’t exist if it was). Surely that shows that you shouldn’t put the policy into effect?


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


You thought I didn’t think 15 out of 25 people would oppose? I knew they would, and I’m okay with it.


5 people supported your change, mate.

Also, thanks for revealing the poll was a farce, just going to draw everyone’s attention to this.

@Alias @Vulpes @Campo @Ricky @_lake @Ragnar_the_Great @Joshrune @King_Coco @BingoBongoLand @Frankie (Seriously, Frankie, how did you let this happen?)


You’re okay with giving them a middle finger? Jesus christ, why the fuck are you even leading this forum when you don’t give a shit about the forum’s views lol?


Data is highly skewed due to the amount of uproar it’s caused. That doesn’t show growth. Also when I talk about growth I’m not talking about in the next week. It’s gradual.


Let the record show they were against it. I used my executive action to enact it.


Guess what every non-money influenced spike in activity in this forum’s history has been caused by. Uproar is our thing. If we didn’t have controversial people here, then the forum would be boring as shit (and wouldn’t be active at all, because where else do you get edgy teens from opposite sides of the spectrum clashing).

Growth correlates with activity. Specifically, more activity has always been part of the forum’s growth strategy, because no one wants to post in an inactive forum.

We’ve had “gradual” growth for the last year. Unless you are willing to throw thousands at advertising, growth just isn’t going to happen without the kind of activity such controvesy causes.


No I do. I just think it’s being blown out of proportion and won’t affect the community as much as everyone initially thinks. This too shall pass.


All staff opposed the change including Frankie, just to be clear.


Your interpretation of the word is irrelevant.

If were going to go by that logic we should also ban the word ‘gay’ for being used as derogatory, or ‘mongoloid’, or the phrase ‘thick as two short planks’.

Don’t understand the last one? Maybe because it’s a British idoim that has literally no meaning or relevance to anyone from outside the UK but still technically derogatory; being offended does mean you’re right or that you’re ‘in the clear’.

Words have literal meanings, and are usually used in accordance to them.


Hence why @Frankie liked your post?