Why is it that the white race should not have a homeland?


#161

[QUOTE=“Ricky, post: 2682542, member: 2996”]You need to chill with the LARPing.
Integration into society and the accumulation of wealth, skills, and social capital will help your revolution far more than being an outcast martyr ever will.[/QUOTE]
I would rather matyr myself in the name of my people than integrate into a multicultural society. This is my preference.
“If we are to be the last of the white men who conquered the world; if we are finally to be overwhelmed by a pack of rats, let us at least face the death of our race as our ancestors faced their death—like MEN. Let us not crawl down amongst the rats begging for mercy or trying to out-sneak them and pretend to be rats ourselves!”
-George Lincoln Rockwell


#162

[QUOTE=“Ricky, post: 2682542, member: 2996”]You need to chill with the LARPing.
Integration into society and the accumulation of wealth, skills, and social capital will help your revolution far more than being an outcast martyr ever will.[/QUOTE]
If we are to be the last of the white men who conquered the world; if we are finally to be overwhelmed by a pack of rats, let us at least face the death of our race as our ancestors faced their death—like MEN. Let us not crawl down amongst the rats begging for mercy or trying to out-sneak them and pretend to be rats ourselves!
-George Lincoln Rockwell


#163

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682544, member: 34205”]I would rather matyr myself in the name of my people than integrate into a multicultural society. This is my preference.[/QUOTE]

Then you’re a fool who will amount to no more than a passing headline used to scare the public into further serving the masters of the very multicultural society you protest.

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682545, member: 34205”]If we are to be the last of the white men who conquered the world; if we are finally to be overwhelmed by a pack of rats, let us at least face the death of our race as our ancestors faced their death—like MEN. Let us not crawl down amongst the rats begging for mercy or trying to out-sneak them and pretend to be rats ourselves!
-George Lincoln Rockwell[/QUOTE]

There’s a vast difference between imitating the enemy and becoming a symbol of the very virtue you seek to protect by growing up, getting married, having a large family, and leaving them with the wisdom and property to continue to repeat the process for generations to come.


#164

[QUOTE=“Ricky, post: 2682546, member: 2996”]Then you’re a fool who will amount to no more than a passing headline used to scare the public into further serving the masters of the very multicultural society you protest.

There’s a vast difference between imitating the enemy and becoming a symbol of the very virtue you seek to protect by growing up, getting married, having a large family, and leaving them with the wisdom and property to continue to repeat the process for generations to come.[/QUOTE]
If I passively stand by while my children are indoctrinated with liberal doctrine and I die as the last true white I will have failed.

Also I wouldn’t matyr myself like McVeigh, I mean I would attempt to set up an organization to overthrow the thing and if I was found out and arrested, tortured and imprisoned for it. I would then be a matyr. If I died trying to set up a resistance, or died leading a resistance, without personally killing anyone, I would be a matyr. This is the matyrdom I seek. Matyrdom that matters, and furthers my agenda.


#165

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682547, member: 34205”]If I passively stand by while my children are indoctrinated with liberal doctrine and I die as the last true white I will have failed.[/QUOTE]

Thankfully you don’t have to send your children to public school because of the home-school movement, and you don’t have to have a T.V. or the internet in your house either, if you want to go full fundamentalist Christian about it.

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682547, member: 34205”]
Also I wouldn’t matyr myself like McVeigh, I mean I would attempt to set up an organization to overthrow the thing and if I was found out and arrested, tortured and imprisoned for it. I would then be a matyr. If I died trying to set up a resistance, or died leading a resistance, without personally killing anyone, I would be a matyr. This is the matyrdom I seek. Matyrdom that matters, and furthers my agenda.[/QUOTE]

At least consider martyring yourself in this way: Of playing the long game. A hard struggle. Of forgoing heroic and revolutionary glory for the purpose of raising five more potential soldiers. There will come a time for rebellion, but it isn’t now. One look at history can tell you that you won’t get a violent revolution before the economy crashes, and even then technology is rapidly changing the fabric of society.

Forgoing the family, or a career- even becoming a ranking officer in the military, learning to command and conduct warfare, would be a more productive path than that of underground resistance. That way you can wait for the regime to hit a rough patch and be in position to throw your weight behind a populist military coup.

Because from the outside, even as someone with widely sympathetic views, you appear to be a crazed youth. A brown-shirt yelling memorized slogans, and reveling in a dream of revolutionary violence. And that kind of behavior only works in specific scenarios, times without nearly the same level of material comfort we have today.


#166

[QUOTE=“Ricky, post: 2682548, member: 2996”]Thankfully you don’t have to send your children to public school because of the home-school movement, and you don’t have to have a T.V. or the internet in your house either, if you want to go full fundamentalist Christian about it.

At least consider martyring yourself in this way: Of playing the long game. A hard struggle. Of forgoing heroic and revolutionary glory for the purpose of raising five more potential soldiers. There will come a time for rebellion, but it isn’t now. One look at history can tell you that you won’t get a violent revolution before the economy crashes, and even then technology is rapidly changing the fabric of society.

Forgoing the family, or a career- even becoming a ranking officer in the military, learning to command and conduct warfare, would be a more productive path than that of underground resistance. That way you can wait for the regime to hit a rough patch and be in position to throw your weight behind a populist military coup.

Because from the outside, even as someone with widely sympathetic views, you appear to be a crazed youth. A brown-shirt yelling memorized slogans, and reveling in a dream of revolutionary violence. And that kind of behavior only works in specific scenarios, times without nearly the same level of material comfort we have today.[/QUOTE]
I don’t want to raise children in a sheltered enviroment, I want them to know the enemy, know whats wrong with their ideology, and reject it entirely.

I want to ensure the survival of my people, any which way I can, and I want to ensure it. The fourteen words go “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”. I don’t want to rely on the hope of an upcoming crash, I want to be certain. I think it is extremely hard to raise children properly in the world we live in, as even if you block them from the systems brainwashing, they will still have to deal with the brainwashed liberal masses. I also think that children should see all sides to the story, and if we raise kids with no internet/tv and no contact with the outside liberal forces, we are no better than them, as we are brainwashing just as they do. In The Turner Diaries by William Pierce, the solution to the issue of viewpoint is discussed. We gain power by causing massive unrest, fear and uncertainty. If the people doubt the System’s grip on things even slightly, we have won the war. This is how I want to go about things, and what I see as the most effective solution.


#167

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682549, member: 34205”]I don’t want to raise children in a sheltered enviroment, I want them to know the enemy, know whats wrong with their ideology, and reject it entirely.

I want to ensure the survival of my people, any which way I can, and I want to ensure it. The fourteen words go “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”. I don’t want to rely on the hope of an upcoming crash, I want to be certain. I think it is extremely hard to raise children properly in the world we live in, as even if you block them from the systems brainwashing, they will still have to deal with the brainwashed liberal masses. I also think that children should see all sides to the story, and if we raise kids with no internet/tv and no contact with the outside liberal forces, we are no better than them, as we are brainwashing just as they do.[/QUOTE]

You can’t have it both ways- both for your children to know the enemy, and for them to be separate from the liberal masses. And you don’t have the luxury of not waiting for an upcoming crash. Playing at revolution is no joke, and there’s absolutely no guarantee whatsoever of success simply because you will it. The best you can do is optimize your chances.

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682549, member: 34205”]
In The Turner Diaries by William Pierce, the solution to the issue of viewpoint is discussed. We gain power by causing massive unrest, fear and uncertainty. If the people doubt the System’s grip on things even slightly, we have won the war. This is how I want to go about things, and what I see as the most effective solution.[/QUOTE]

Terrorism merely provides fuel for the ruling regime. 9/11 and other terror attacks should make this painfully obvious to you. The ruling class increases the authoritarian measures against the entire population while continuing to import the Muslims who’s fighters bombed us. Hitler himself leveraged communist terror to strengthen his regime. Those kinds of acts, when the regime is not weak enough to actually collapse (ie: when there’s an economic crisis, or we’ve lost a large war), or you already have popular support, are counterproductive. They will merely drive the liberal masses to cling more tightly to the government.


#168

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682369, member: 34205”]I am new to this fourm, and I looked back in this fourm section and didn’t see any questions like this so I thought I would ask.

Every other race has a homeland where they are the majority and immigration of other races is extremely limited. In a lot of cases (Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.) it’s entirely not allowed, and this is seen as OK.

My question is why is it that white countries have to experience multiculturalism and become diverse but no one else has to do this. Why can’t every race get their own homeland?

I also want to see what the general opinion on this topic is, so I created a poll.[/QUOTE]

Firstly, welcome to the forum. Nice to see a few more people of this persuasion joining. The userbase is mostly left leaning but they have been thoroughly desensitised to racism after 10,000 posts of mine, and probably a similar amount by a few other people combined.

I’d just like to say though that thinking purely in terms of ‘white homeland’ is a purely American thing, and ethnicity plays as big (if not bigger) role in Europe. I voted yes in your poll though.

The answer is because no one wants to move to non-white countries, because they are that bad, so they have no source of foreigners to become diverse.


#169

No, I do not believe there should be a white homeland. Here’s why; the actual pragmatic argument behind it doesn’t even hold up for a start. Uprooting that many people from Europe or wherever to go to where @Spodershibe[/USER] later describes as homelands for other races would be a massive (and extremely costly) operation. At the same time, race isn’t necessarily a criteria for nationalism - for example, the founder of Dawn in the Czech Republic is born in Japan to a Japanese father and A Boravian mother. He didn’t arrive in what was Czechoslovakia until he was 6. There are a host of other examples yhat I’ll not go through. Despite that, I do believe multiculturalism is dangerous because new communities are forming in Europe (elsewhere too probably, but I’ll use Europe as a case in point for this discussion) which are entirely made up of members from a foreimgn community. Hence we have the creation of Sharia courts etc, but on a more dangerpus level it creates suspicion and ‘angst’ among the general public who can become hostile. What is important is assimilation, which has largely happened. Blacks, Asians etc in Britain have assimilated into Britain and engaged in British culture. Minorities have also done a lot of positive things in their countries ([USER=2090]@Ethan “Mac” McNally poijted out the African-American contribution to the USA) and on these people, the idea of a ‘black’ or ‘Asian’ homeland would actually be detrimental; a black growing up in an English city will be entirely different to a black subsistence farmer from Nigeria. The vagueness around which minorities should live in which areas is also too confusing, alongside the fact that even if ethnic groups are separated, there will still be conflict between groups that believe in the destruction of the other that territories could border. If their territories were to be amended to keep them apart, it kind of goes against the idea of a homeland in the first place. I am much more comfortable in the idea of nation-states that we have now, because a common feeling can be generated between people of different backgrounds and races via assimilation and concise immigration policy (one of my objections to the EU is on freedom of labour).

One more issue; biracials?


#170

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682446, member: 34205”]This thread is about white nationalism and a white homeland so the only reason you would bring up some kind of atrocity is because the whites did it.[/QUOTE]
I can’t exactly think of mant genocidal acts against whites by other ethnic groups, Rhodesia deove most of them out and that’s about it I can think of. Barring of course the lunatic intentions of groups such as the Islamic State.


#171

not really, but my immigration policies would almost fully restrict migration to white countries with small minorities, so in effect the answer is yes.


#172

Most certainly we do. EVERY other race is allowed to restrict minorities and retain their ethnic majority apart from us. We must accept thousands on thousands of foreigners and if we speak out someone will call us racist and silence us. The hypocracy is astounding.


#173

No. Just because other countries have abhorrently restrictive immigration policies doesn’t mean that ‘white’ nations should follow. Two wrongs do not make a right. Furthermore, the liberal and tolerant values of the western world have been the cornerstone of its prosperity. Let’s not undermine that by copying the illiberal, regressive values of other countries in the world.


#174

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682549, member: 34205”]I don’t want to raise children in a sheltered enviroment, I want them to know the enemy, know whats wrong with their ideology, and reject it entirely.

I want to ensure the survival of my people, any which way I can, and I want to ensure it. The fourteen words go “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”. I don’t want to rely on the hope of an upcoming crash, I want to be certain. I think it is extremely hard to raise children properly in the world we live in, as even if you block them from the systems brainwashing, they will still have to deal with the brainwashed liberal masses. I also think that children should see all sides to the story, and if we raise kids with no internet/tv and no contact with the outside liberal forces, we are no better than them, as we are brainwashing just as they do. In The Turner Diaries by William Pierce, the solution to the issue of viewpoint is discussed. We gain power by causing massive unrest, fear and uncertainty. If the people doubt the System’s grip on things even slightly, we have won the war. This is how I want to go about things, and what I see as the most effective solution.[/QUOTE]

Just a suggestion, not that I advocate a white homeland or associate with National Socialism/White supremacy in any way, but why not just start from the beginning and found some sort of commune like the Church of the Aryan nations? If you want to isolate yourself from multiculturalism that would seem the best way to do it. It wouldn’t be my cup of tea, but whatever floats your boat.


#175

[QUOTE=“Latté Liberal, post: 2682569, member: 3622”]No. Just because other countries have abhorrently restrictive immigration policies doesn’t mean that ‘white’ nations should follow. Two wrongs do not make a right. Furthermore, the liberal and tolerant values of the western world have been the cornerstone of its prosperity. Let’s not undermine that by copying the illiberal, regressive values of other countries in the world.[/QUOTE]
Liberalism was invented far after the west became the most prosperous in the world.


#176

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682596, member: 34205”]Liberalism was invented far after the west became the most prosperous in the world.[/QUOTE]

Well yeah, because every modern political ideology was created during or after the Enlightenment.


#177

[QUOTE=“King Coco, post: 2682600, member: 1296”]Well yeah, because every modern political ideology was created during or after the Enlightenment.[/QUOTE]
What my point was is that liberalism and progressiveness is not correlated to our sucess


#178

[QUOTE=“Republican, post: 2682558, member: 1048”]I can’t exactly think of mant genocidal acts against whites by other ethnic groups, Rhodesia deove most of them out and that’s about it I can think of. Barring of course the lunatic intentions of groups such as the Islamic State.[/QUOTE]
In the middle east around the early 2nd millenium there was a white slave trade amongst the Muslims and the Jews living in the middle east.


#179

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#180

[QUOTE=“Spodershibe, post: 2682389, member: 34205”]Just because liberalism happened and the white liberals want it doesn’t make it right.[/QUOTE]
Get with the times buddy, things are changing. What has been never will be. You must adapt your policies to move with the acceptance of new beliefs, otherwise your ideology will fade with the old chapters of humanity.